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Monday, December 1, 2008

LX3 vs DLux4 lens





Lotsa people have claimed that my previous picture showing the difference between LX3 n DL4 lenses are inaccurate, different apertures were used, LC1 cap on the DL4 blocked off the reflections n so on. I'm just too tired to explain anymore so I just took more pics of them. I swapped them round between left n right sides, top n bottom. I also made sure both lenses were without the threaded ring or LC1, both cameras were switched off too. Any which way I look at them, they are different. Anyway, here's the pics.

LX3 vs DL4 lens

LX3 vs DL4 lens


LX3 vs DL4 lens

LX3 vs DL4 lens

See how the DL4 exhibits a darker blue tint in every single position? Am I the only person seeing this or am I in need of eye surgery? LOL. What do you guys see?


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16 comments:

Anonymous said...

Ok Ian. I also see it. My apologies for doubting you. Mgatov

ianho said...

No prob mate. It's just really frustrating when people think I have a hidden agenda when all I'm doing is sharing my findings. If Leica gave me an M8, it would be a different story altogether. Hehehe.

Vincent Pang said...

I thought these are the twins? according to a site I read earlier, the only difference is the algorithm Leica uses for it's image processing.

However, it's not a night and day difference.

ianho said...

Ya Vince, they're supposedly the same hardware with different jpeg algorithms. However, the lens coatings are clearly different on my cameras. Next time we go out for coffee I will show you. :)

When r u buying the LX3? U were telling me u wanted to get 1 the last time we had a chat.

Hanafi Mohd Noor said...

Great stuff.

ianho said...

Hello hanafi, welkambs! Hehehe

T said...

Hello

Does the Leica D-lux 4 comes with metallic traps for the battery and for all the ports, unlike the Panasonic LX3 ?

Andrés said...

actually it is a night and day difference.

also if youre interested..just for kicks...vimeo this guy called ed araquel....he shot his girlfriends music video on an lx-3....check that out.

Anonymous said...

From your pictures it is obvious that the light is entering each camera's lens at different angles to the surface. That could easily explain the difference in reflected color, since multi-coated lenses have several layers of coatings.

Anonymous said...

Ok boys... I actually work for Leica in the past... in the Optic department...

It is common to have different shape of blue during coating, even with the same formulae... What you are seeing now is very common, and it does not implies that both camera uses different coating.

If you have the opportunities to have a few more D-Lux, from different batches, you will know what I meant...

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Anonymous said...

I'm not sure you are right on this.
Here's what Leica told me in a pdf message:

LEICA v PANASONIC

The Leica Digilux, V-LUX, C-LUX and D-LUX model cameras are

supplied with unique Leica defined image processing firmware.

Images are not “over processed” to retain the benefits of the Leica

designed lenses in terms of colour, image sharpness and noise

reduction etc.

These cameras are also supplied with larger capacity SD cards, a

comprehensive software package, and in the case of the

C-LUX 2 and D-LUX 3, a genuine Leica leather camera case

supplied with the camera, and with the new C-LUX 3 and D-LUX 4

cameras a range of leather cases will be available exclusively made

by Leica.

Special profiles have been written for Leica by Phase One to

process the D-LUX 4 Raw files in Capture-One software to achieve

the highest possible results.

Leica digital cameras are only the same as the Panasonic model in

terms of basic design and Leica lens technology. The Leica models

are subject to Leica’s very stringent quality control inspection, and

usually have a longer factory warranty than Panasonic in the UK.

Sept 2008.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for posting all of this. Unfortunately, the results don't bode well for my wallet. To be honest, it makes perfect sense. Leica seems to think this camera will appeal to a more photographically inclined person than the LX-3 will, so it's tweaked it in a few interesting ways to make it perform more like a true Leica. The ISO trick is a very good example; instead of reaching for the higher ISO immediately to keep the shutter speed high enough to prevent shake, Leica assumes you can keep still long enough to take the picture, and if you can't, you know how to fix that without the auto-nanny stepping in. The more subdued processing is also interesting. There is noticeably less saturation in some of those shots when compared to the LX3, and the contrast hasn't been punched up so high either, allowing the Leica to hold onto some of the highlight details much better than the Panasonic. It also errs on the side of "slight underexposure" for the sake of artistic license (this is in fact how I like to take a lot of my shots).

Now I need a Leica, and the Panasonic was expensive enough. Damn.

Bliss said...

I really see the differences between those shots. Definitely Leica produced much better color and saturation, the black and white even stood up more.
I just ordered mine a few minutes ago for addition of my huge big bulk DSLR 5D Mark II. The camera will fit perfectly for shooting all the time, carry it all the time with you and won't miss the shoots anywhere you go, with DSLR you will miss lots of shots just because it is too obvious to lug it around and take shots. I hope my choice of compact camera is good and I won't regret it. How do you like your leica so far, Ianho. Thanks for posting this.

Brandon said...

Thanks for the review.

Just a quick comment about the lens coating. The lens coatings can vary batch to batch the only way to tell if the variation is intentional is to talk to someone who knows. The difference while noticeable, in itself isn't proof of anything.

Ian Ho said...

Bliss, like you, I am using a 5D MkII as well. I'm still loving my DLux 4 as it's the perfect partner for the 5D MkII while on vacations with the wife n kids. DL4 for family days n 5D MkII for photo days. It's also great in partnership due to the 24-60mm range when I use the 70-200 f2.8L IS on the 5D MkII. I just reach for the DL4 for wide angle shots instead of swapping to my 17-40 f4L when I'm lazy.